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		<title>Comment on IPv6 &#8211; Proxy the neighbors (or come back ARP &#8211; we loved you really) by IPv6 and Xen on a Hetzner hosted system &#124; Life, the Universe and Everything</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/03/24/239/comment-page-1/#comment-3983</link>
		<dc:creator>IPv6 and Xen on a Hetzner hosted system &#124; Life, the Universe and Everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if you have input and/or improvements i would be glad to hear them. This approach is based on using proxy_ndp and can only route specific IPv6 addresses to a domU. We currently have no need for subnet routing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if you have input and/or improvements i would be glad to hear them. This approach is based on using proxy_ndp and can only route specific IPv6 addresses to a domU. We currently have no need for subnet routing [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 and default routes by sgroarke</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/03/05/ipv6-and-default-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>sgroarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed!! To digress slightly: what my &quot;getting IPv6 working on a home server&quot; exercise has told me in no uncertain terms is that while it&#039;s true that the IPv6 stack has been around for years now, the integration of the elements to provide a working solution for home users is a long way from complete.

The basic bricks are there, but a complete, smooth working solution for home users is absolutely not yet ready. I hope that my IPv6 articles are a small step in that direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed!! To digress slightly: what my &#8220;getting IPv6 working on a home server&#8221; exercise has told me in no uncertain terms is that while it&#8217;s true that the IPv6 stack has been around for years now, the integration of the elements to provide a working solution for home users is a long way from complete.</p>
<p>The basic bricks are there, but a complete, smooth working solution for home users is absolutely not yet ready. I hope that my IPv6 articles are a small step in that direction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 and default routes by digitalsushi</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/03/05/ipv6-and-default-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-3965</link>
		<dc:creator>digitalsushi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but if the gateway randomly changes to another l2 address, that static assignment is invalid and you&#039;re offline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but if the gateway randomly changes to another l2 address, that static assignment is invalid and you&#8217;re offline.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 &#8211; Proxy the neighbors (or come back ARP &#8211; we loved you really) by sgroarke</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/03/24/239/comment-page-1/#comment-3955</link>
		<dc:creator>sgroarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding a bit to my comment above about Neighbor Discovery: maybe a quick &#039;n dirty NAD (Neighbor Advertisement Daemon) needs writing! 

RFC 3756 details the security considerations of an implementation of NDP. Of the three models described therein, we would want to consider ourselves as a &quot;Corporate Internet&quot;, as we trust ourself and the private-side devices attached to us. And, anyway, in the home environment we will only typically have a single router: our gateway device itself. So I think that this model is correct.

The IETF&#039;s Secure Neighbor Discovery will likely form the basis of NDP in the longer term. But in the shorter term it would seem that we could perform NDP as per RFC 4861 and fill a bit of a hole that exists today.

The hole is that IPv6 implementations to date seems to assume that a device is either a full-fledged router or it is an end-point. While &quot;our&quot; gateway device can and does act as a full-fledged router (I can kick out via RADVD router advertisements to my heart&#039;s content) my ISP sees me as an end-point. It sends me router advertisements, but isn&#039;t interested in seeing any back (which, from a security model point of view, is not wholly unreasonable!) When it wants to &quot;route&quot; anything &lt;strong&gt;within&lt;/strong&gt; the /64 range to me it first requires a satisfactory neighbor solicitation/advertisement exchange to take place.

Hence the need to proxy the IPv6 neighbour discovery.

Watch this space. I might just rustle something up...! In the near future I might be after a beta tester or two. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding a bit to my comment above about Neighbor Discovery: maybe a quick &#8216;n dirty NAD (Neighbor Advertisement Daemon) needs writing! </p>
<p>RFC 3756 details the security considerations of an implementation of NDP. Of the three models described therein, we would want to consider ourselves as a &#8220;Corporate Internet&#8221;, as we trust ourself and the private-side devices attached to us. And, anyway, in the home environment we will only typically have a single router: our gateway device itself. So I think that this model is correct.</p>
<p>The IETF&#8217;s Secure Neighbor Discovery will likely form the basis of NDP in the longer term. But in the shorter term it would seem that we could perform NDP as per RFC 4861 and fill a bit of a hole that exists today.</p>
<p>The hole is that IPv6 implementations to date seems to assume that a device is either a full-fledged router or it is an end-point. While &#8220;our&#8221; gateway device can and does act as a full-fledged router (I can kick out via RADVD router advertisements to my heart&#8217;s content) my ISP sees me as an end-point. It sends me router advertisements, but isn&#8217;t interested in seeing any back (which, from a security model point of view, is not wholly unreasonable!) When it wants to &#8220;route&#8221; anything <strong>within</strong> the /64 range to me it first requires a satisfactory neighbor solicitation/advertisement exchange to take place.</p>
<p>Hence the need to proxy the IPv6 neighbour discovery.</p>
<p>Watch this space. I might just rustle something up&#8230;! In the near future I might be after a beta tester or two. <img src='http://www.ipsidixit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 &#8211; Proxy the neighbors (or come back ARP &#8211; we loved you really) by sgroarke</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/03/24/239/comment-page-1/#comment-3954</link>
		<dc:creator>sgroarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question! In a couple of words: &quot;I don&#039;t know. Yet&quot; :-)

When writing up my mini IPv6 howtos one of the things that has genuinely surprised me is the relative immaturity of IPv6 implementation for a small home device, when taken a a whole. Most of the elements themselves are robust and have actually been around for years now. But hanging them all together is clearly something that not too many people have yet done!

I do not yet know of a Linux service which will allow me to respond to Neighbor Solicitations for a range of addresses. Sure, with RAD I can myself act as a router and advertise networks, as I do to my internal network. But the specific function of sending a neighbor advertisement based upon a range of addresses? I currently simply do not know. I guess what you (and I) are really looking for is a command along the lines of: 

ip -6 neigh add proxy 1111:2222:3333:4444/64

so that any neighbor solicitation received for an address within the subnet gets responded to?

I&#039;ll keep looking - I find it hard to believe it&#039;s not possible. But I do not know how today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question! In a couple of words: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know. Yet&#8221; <img src='http://www.ipsidixit.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>When writing up my mini IPv6 howtos one of the things that has genuinely surprised me is the relative immaturity of IPv6 implementation for a small home device, when taken a a whole. Most of the elements themselves are robust and have actually been around for years now. But hanging them all together is clearly something that not too many people have yet done!</p>
<p>I do not yet know of a Linux service which will allow me to respond to Neighbor Solicitations for a range of addresses. Sure, with RAD I can myself act as a router and advertise networks, as I do to my internal network. But the specific function of sending a neighbor advertisement based upon a range of addresses? I currently simply do not know. I guess what you (and I) are really looking for is a command along the lines of: </p>
<p>ip -6 neigh add proxy 1111:2222:3333:4444/64</p>
<p>so that any neighbor solicitation received for an address within the subnet gets responded to?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep looking &#8211; I find it hard to believe it&#8217;s not possible. But I do not know how today.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 &#8211; Proxy the neighbors (or come back ARP &#8211; we loved you really) by Julian J. M.</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/03/24/239/comment-page-1/#comment-3953</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian J. M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Good post, very userful. I&#039;ve been struggling with ipv6 routing for some time, and the problem was that my router wasn&#039;t answering the ICMPv6 Neighbour Solicitation messages.

I made it work on a per host basis, with &quot;ip -t neigh add ...&quot;, e.g.:
ip -6 neigh add proxy 2001:xxxx:2:yyyy:a000::2 dev eth0

But how can it be done to proxy for a subnet?

Scenario:

Router with a /64 native ipv6 network assigned.
Behind the router, 2 different networks, each a /68

How could I make the router answer neighbor solicitations for each /68 subnet, so that the packets can reach the router and can be forwarded to the specific subnet?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Good post, very userful. I&#8217;ve been struggling with ipv6 routing for some time, and the problem was that my router wasn&#8217;t answering the ICMPv6 Neighbour Solicitation messages.</p>
<p>I made it work on a per host basis, with &#8220;ip -t neigh add &#8230;&#8221;, e.g.:<br />
ip -6 neigh add proxy 2001:xxxx:2:yyyy:a000::2 dev eth0</p>
<p>But how can it be done to proxy for a subnet?</p>
<p>Scenario:</p>
<p>Router with a /64 native ipv6 network assigned.<br />
Behind the router, 2 different networks, each a /68</p>
<p>How could I make the router answer neighbor solicitations for each /68 subnet, so that the packets can reach the router and can be forwarded to the specific subnet?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 at home &#8211; a guide to getting started by sgroarke</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/02/24/228/comment-page-1/#comment-3947</link>
		<dc:creator>sgroarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve rather glossed over the whole question of DNS... Since we&#039;re choosing to not implement IPv6 DHCP server, how do clients machine pick up the DNS? Sure, they get the address prefix from RADVD, but what about anything else?

In the first instance all my client will be dual-stack IPv4 &amp; IPv6. They already have the IPv4 DNS known and active so we will let them continue to use that. Of course if IPv4 does one day disappear, and we run as single-stack IPv6, this would need to be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve rather glossed over the whole question of DNS&#8230; Since we&#8217;re choosing to not implement IPv6 DHCP server, how do clients machine pick up the DNS? Sure, they get the address prefix from RADVD, but what about anything else?</p>
<p>In the first instance all my client will be dual-stack IPv4 &#038; IPv6. They already have the IPv4 DNS known and active so we will let them continue to use that. Of course if IPv4 does one day disappear, and we run as single-stack IPv6, this would need to be addressed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Leave them kids alone by sgroarke</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/02/02/221/comment-page-1/#comment-3934</link>
		<dc:creator>sgroarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UK courts today decided that if you hold a totally irrational religious belief, it&#039;s absolutely fine and OK to be exempted from the laws passed by the democratically elected government. You are free to further your prejudices while continuing to use children as your tool:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/8572077.stm

I&#039;ll say again what I wrote previously: the adoption of children is not in any way a religious issue. It should have nothing to do with it. I do not doubt that many of the people working for Catholic adoption agencies are decent, well-meaning people who have the best interests of children at heart. In which case I applaud them for their work. But leave your religious beliefs and moral hang-ups outside. And if you say you can&#039;t do that, then stay away altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK courts today decided that if you hold a totally irrational religious belief, it&#8217;s absolutely fine and OK to be exempted from the laws passed by the democratically elected government. You are free to further your prejudices while continuing to use children as your tool:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/8572077.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/8572077.stm</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say again what I wrote previously: the adoption of children is not in any way a religious issue. It should have nothing to do with it. I do not doubt that many of the people working for Catholic adoption agencies are decent, well-meaning people who have the best interests of children at heart. In which case I applaud them for their work. But leave your religious beliefs and moral hang-ups outside. And if you say you can&#8217;t do that, then stay away altogether.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Leave them kids alone by sgroarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgroarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8556659.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8556659.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8556659.stm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on IPv6 at home &#8211; a guide to getting started by sgroarke</title>
		<link>http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/02/24/228/comment-page-1/#comment-3928</link>
		<dc:creator>sgroarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once IPv6 is set up and working, prior to us becoming a fully-fledged router we need to enable &lt;i&gt;forwarding&lt;/i&gt;. This is covered, along with the problems it then brings, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/03/05/ipv6-and-default-routes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in this post here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once IPv6 is set up and working, prior to us becoming a fully-fledged router we need to enable <i>forwarding</i>. This is covered, along with the problems it then brings, <a href="http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/03/05/ipv6-and-default-routes" rel="nofollow">in this post here.</a></p>
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