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		<title>Evil secularists</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 07:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting appeal court decision in the UK yesterday. A certain Gary McFarlane, a &#8220; Christian relationship counsellor&#8221; lost his appeal over a refusal to offer sex therapy to a gay couple.</p> <p>The story seems fairly well covered here, here and here (lefties, right-wing and The BBC!) with similar reporting.</p> <p>First off one cannot but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: small;"><img class="size-full wp-image-278 alignleft" style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 40px; margin-right: 40px;" title="30px-Happyman.svg" src="http://www.ipsidixit.net/wp-content/2010/05/30px-Happyman.svg_.png" alt="" />Interesting appeal court decision in the UK yesterday. A certain Gary McFarlane, a &#8220;</span><span style="font-size: small;"> Christian relationship counsellor&#8221; lost his appeal over a refusal to offer sex therapy to a gay couple.</span></p>
<p>The story seems fairly well covered <a id="eaw5" title="here" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/29/religion-gay-rights">here</a>, <a id="iqqg" title="here" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7652358/Gary-McFarlane-judges-assault-on-irrational-religious-freedom-claims-in-sex-therapist-case.html">here</a> and <a id="gq6j" title="here" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/8651417.stm">here</a> (lefties, right-wing and The BBC!) with similar reporting.</p>
<p>First off one cannot but wonder what a &#8220;Christian relationship counsellor&#8221; actually is. Is it like a &#8220;Christian car mechanic&#8221;, who we wonder is a car mechanic who goes to church, or a car mechanic who only works on Christian cars? And given, as we soon discover, that Mr McFarlane objects, in at least some form or another, to homosexuality, you have to wonder just who would choose to become a sex therapist when you have a hang up about a common sexual orientation.</p>
<p>But that is not the main issue here &#8211; the real issue is whether Mr McFarlane can claim supernatural beliefs permit him to discriminate against people in his working life. And the English courts have emphatically said &#8220;No&#8221;. In essence the court says that your beliefs are your own business, not anyone else&#8217;s. And if you choose to apply them to others you may find that they contradict the laws of the country. And at that point you have a problem.</p>
<p><span id="more-277"></span>So so far, so fairly dull. Today it is homosexuality. 30 years ago it might have been the perceived right to be a racist. 80 years ago the right to be openly sexist. And so on. The litmus test for bigots changes as time goes on. What&#8217;s much more interesting here is that Mr McFarlane claims that he is right simply due to his arbitrary religious beliefs.</p>
<p>And, as the reports make clear, the courts very firmly rejected that and have caused considerable annoyance amongst those who do wish to have their superstitious beliefs imposed upon others.</p>
<p>The quote that really caught my eye was <span style="font-size: small;">Lord Carey (a former Archbishop of Canterbury &#8211; the deputy head of the Church of England) saying of the ruling: &#8220;</span><span style="color: #333333;"> </span><span style="font-size: small;">It heralded a &#8216;secular&#8217; state rather than a &#8216;neutral&#8217; one. &#8220;</span></p>
<p>That is extraordinary. In one short sentence he implies firstly that today the UK is not a place where religion affects those who do not believe in it, and also that &#8220;secularism&#8221; is in some way anti-religion and generally negative.</p>
<p>Taking his suggestion that the UK is a &#8220;neutral&#8221; place already: one could write a book refuting that. But a few that spring to mind are:</p>
<li style="padding-left: 30px;">The Head of State is, by constitutional definition, also the Head of the Church of England.</li>
<li style="padding-left: 30px;">There are laws which would make a Catholic, Jewish or other non-Christian democratically elected Prime Minister difficult or impossible.</li>
<li style="padding-left: 30px;">One of the country&#8217;s leading youth organisations (The Scouting Association) will not allow atheists to join it.</li>
<li style="padding-left: 30px;">The UK&#8217;s House of Lords has 26 voting members (plus a few more there by merit of their religion) who are there <em>solely</em> due to being a senior cleric in the Church of England.</li>
<li style="padding-left: 30px;">Courts can make <a id="jbpr" title="arbitrary sentencing decisions" href="http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/02/04/bless-me-father-for-i-have-punched/">arbitrary sentencing decisions</a> based upon supernatural beliefs.</li>
<li style="padding-left: 30px;">Publicly funded schools can discriminate on who they accept based upon religious beliefs.</li>
<li style="padding-left: 30px;">Millions of pounds of taxes are used to fund religious practice within the state Health Service.</li>
<li style="padding-left: 30px;">Animal cruelty is made legal if supported by a supernatural belief.</li>
<p>And the list goes on. The point being that for Carey to claim that, religiously, the UK is today &#8220;neutral&#8221; is ridiculous. And his interesting suggesion that, even if it was neutral, we&#8217;ve now tipped over into secularism! It&#8217;s dishonest of him. He is not a stupid man, and is well aware of the dishonesty of that statement. Secularism is the very essence of neutraility, as it applies to government.</p>
<p>Take supernatural beliefs out of government. Stop bleating about religious discrimination. You are the one who wishes to practice religious discrimination Carey, not the secularists. And stop subtly  insinuating that lack of religion equates in some way with lack of morality. That&#8217;s dishonest. And dishonesty is bad. I would have thought you might have known that.</p>
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		<title>Bless me father for I have punched</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sgroarke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Several newspapers report today (e.g. here and here) that a British judge this week chose not to jail a violent criminal because he was religious.</p> <p>The judge said &#8220;You are a religious man and you know this is not acceptable behaviour.&#8221;</p> <p>The fact that the judge in question is Cherie Blair, wife of former-prime [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-225" style="margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 15px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px;" title="cherie-blair-415x350" src="http://www.ipsidixit.net/wp-content/2010/02/cherie-blair-415x350-150x150.jpg" alt="" />Several newspapers report today (e.g. <a href="http://goo.gl/t7j3" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://goo.gl/fjuR" target="_blank">here</a>) that a British judge this week chose not to jail a violent criminal because he was religious.</p>
<p>The judge said &#8220;You are a religious man and you know this is not acceptable behaviour.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact that the judge in question is Cherie Blair, wife of former-prime minister Tony Blair, just confirms that this couple appear able to justify almost anything in their own minds based upon their beliefs and superstitions.</p>
<p>Apparently the UK&#8217;s National Secular Society has complained about it, but in true British don&#8217;t-kick-up-a-fuss tradition not much more will happen.</p>
<p>So remember: before violently assaulting someone in Britain, say a prayer. No, not to ask for any sort of forgiveness for what you will do, just pray that you get this lunatic women as your judge afterwards.</p>
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		<title>Leave them kids alone</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pope Benedict XVI is apparently set to visit Britain soon. However he has also decided to attack the laws giving gay couples similar rights to married (heterosexual) couples, as a variation on the church&#8217;s more general disgust with anyone who does not share their own twisted sexual views</p> <p>Aware that this is unpopular (the laws [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-222" style="margin-left: 20px; margin-right: 20px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px;" title="pope" src="http://www.ipsidixit.net/wp-content/2010/02/pope-150x150.jpg" alt="" />Pope Benedict XVI is <a id="hnwh" title="apparently set to visit Britian soon" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8492597.stm">apparently set to visit Britain soon</a>. However he has also decided to attack the laws giving gay couples similar rights to married (heterosexual) couples, as a variation on the church&#8217;s more general disgust with anyone who does not share their own twisted sexual views</p>
<p>Aware that this is unpopular (<a id="r-l_" title="Economist link re 2008 Social Attitudes Survey" href="http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15407965"><span style="color: #000000;">the laws have widespread support</span></a>) he has chosen a rather devious and obfuscated line of attack.</p>
<p>He singles out for criticism the UK&#8217;s Equality Bill, currently passing through Parliament. He tells us the effect of some of the legislation designed to achieve this goal has been to impose unjust limitations on the freedom of religious communities to act in accordance with their beliefs. <em>Unjust</em>. That&#8217;s the key word there. And then goes on:</p>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;In some respects it actually violates the natural law upon which the equality of all human beings is grounded and by which it is guaranteed.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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<p>Of course the concept of Natural Law is wonderfully vague. One assumes he is referring to some or other Aquinas-style philosophy of everything is OK, so long as it is OK with God too. However that aside, what is he really objecting to? Well, that is made fairly clear by further Church-comment on the matter. Firstly we are told that:</p>
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<blockquote><p>Religious leaders have voiced concern that the Equality Bill may force churches to employ sexually active gay people and transsexuals when hiring staff other than priests or ministers.</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-221"></span>I love the language. &#8220;Forcing them to employ gay people.&#8221; For them, gay = evil. Well, more accurately sex = evil. Gay  = double evil. Which is all the more amusing considering the proportion of Catholic priests who themselves are gay.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion Mr Pope: if you&#8217;re so worried about sexual deviance, why don&#8217;t you stop fretting about homosexuals and instead cease employing and empowering paedophiles (gay <em>and</em> straight)? Clear out the layers of child abusers and their protectors who still litter your organisation and then I will at least take as non-hypocritical your objection to what you view as &#8220;sexual deviance&#8221; (although let me be unequivocally clear: I do not view homosexuality as any sort of &#8220;deviance&#8221; &#8211; what consenting adults choose to do in private is none of my business, except in so far as I robustly defend their right to do it)</p>
<h2>Adoption</h2>
<p>The other subtle line of gay-bashing from the Catholic Church yesterday concerns the desire for Catholic adoption agencies to function outside of the law. The proposed act would not allow child adoption agencies to discriminate against gay couples when considering their suitability as adoptive parents. Let&#8217;s get out of the way the issue of whether or not gay couples should adopt children: personally I have no issue with it at all. For me, the suitability of a couple (or indeed a single person) to care for a child has nothing to do with what they do in the bedroom. It has everything to do with other factors far removed from their sexuality. However I do not have a great objection, as such, to those who think that the ideal for children is father-figure + mother-figure, even if I do not agree with it. And, given that, it may seem that I would thus not object to a Catholic adoption agency holding similar views and wishing to implement them, despite not actively supporting them myself.</p>
<p>However what this issue really raises is actually glossed over most of the time: just what <em><strong>is</strong></em> a &#8220;Catholic adoption agency&#8221;? Why on earth does the UK have religiously-affiliated adoption agencies? Adoption is a childcare issue. Adoption is a social issue. Adoption is absolutely not a religious issue.  The very fact that adoption agencies are religiously affiliated infuriates and worries me, since there is only one reason I can think of why they are so: it is to perpetuate their religious beliefs, using desperately vulnerable children as the weapon of choice.</p>
<p>The Catholic church&#8217;s argument is intellectually offensive: Catholics run adoption agencies. Catholics think gay parents are wrong. Therefore Catholics don&#8217;t want to allow them to adopt children. And, to boot, if you try and stop us behaving in that manner we&#8217;ll cry &#8220;Religious oppression!&#8221;</p>
<p>So not only does the church wish to use orphans and the parent-less as its foot-soldiers, it wants to be above the law too. This is not about religious freedom at all. No one requires that an adoption agency be religiously affiliated. Would it be acceptable for the Catholic church to run some other business and practice their discrimination? How about a Catholic garage, but if you are gay you can&#8217;t have your car mended there? People would say &#8220;Oh, but don&#8217;t be silly.&#8221; But that is exactly what is happening here. A business or charity setting itself up to provide a service BUT only if it is allowed to be outside both the law and the commonly-held standards of morality within the country. And it&#8217;s all OK because it&#8217;s a religious belief. It staggers me that people allow it.</p>
<h2>Go away</h2>
<p>The only glimmer of good news is that reports indicate that already about half of all Catholic adoption agencies in the UK have shut down due to their inability to comply with the current and future legislation. And I say hooray to that. Parent-less <a id="gyii" title="children do not need religious bigotry and hatred" href="http://richarddawkins.net/articles/118"><span style="color: #000000;">children do not need religious bigotry and hatred</span></a> guiding their future. To the Pope I say: Take your absurd beliefs and your sick, twisted morality and keep it to yourself. Preach all you like to a consenting adult audience. Our society defends your right to do that. But by definition that means keep away from those of us who do not consent to hear you or have our lives affected by you, and leave our children alone, as they cannot even give consent.</p>
<p>If you care so much about children, stop your priests from abusing them</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with true religious freedom, which is about who or what to worship, if anything, and in a manner of your choosing. It is rather all about intolerance, hatred and superstition. This man is free to visit the UK, but he should be loudly condemned by any right-thinking person.</p>
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		<title>Passion for nails</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I love the Internet. Not for the more typical use of finding what you need to know quickly and easily, but rather for the effortless ability to tell you what you did not need to know.</p> <p>In the space of ten minutes or so today I moved from fruit juice to triclavianism, via the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-219" style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 15px;" title="420px-Angel_Holding_the_Instruments_of_the_Passion" src="http://www.ipsidixit.net/wp-content/2010/01/420px-Angel_Holding_the_Instruments_of_the_Passion-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" />I love the Internet. Not for the more typical use of finding what you need to know quickly and easily, but rather for the effortless ability to tell you what you did <em>not</em> need to know.</p>
<p>In the space of ten minutes or so today I moved from fruit juice to triclavianism, via the Cathars.</p>
<p>Started with a quick visit to Wikipedia to get some information on the chemical composition of passion-fruit juice. But then you just can&#8217;t resist haring off down those links that you find and end up in the most byzantine (tee hee) backwaters of medieval theology&#8230; Or at least I can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>So my dull juice enquiry ends up with me discovering that triclavianism was declared a sin by Pope Innocent III, much to the annoyance of the Albigenses and the Waldensians, who heretically insisted that only <em>three</em> nails were used to hang Jesus from the cross, and he got a spear in the <em>left</em> side. The Pope&#8217;s infallible word was that <em>four</em> nails were used and he got speared on the <em>right</em> side.</p>
<p>Which is wonderful enough. Until you cross-reference to <a id="zuh2" title="The Catholic Encyclopedia" href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000;">The Catholic Encyclopedia</span></a> (&#8220;Copyright © 2009 by Kevin Knight. Dedicated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.&#8221;), subsection &#8220;Holy Nails&#8221;, where we discover that there are apparently still in existence up to <em>30</em> of the original nails used.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;d have thought it?</p>
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